The Oracle's Divination

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Postby Greg » September 30th, 2011, 12:34 am

The Oracle wrote:The Sacrifice Forgotten is the Destiny Remembered...

To those who seek the path
To undo what has been seen
Now know that which must be done
And that which must be given.

Seek thee the power of Faith,
For it shall sustain you
The innocent heart sleeps/
Bound beneath a common crown/
the Land of Gold shall reveal its power/
Only to the Sovereign Queen/

Seek thee the power of Time,
For it shall shelter you
The dead God shall point the way/
Enshrined in His city’s lost tomb/
Your quarry shall always elude you/
Until sought from within/

Seek thee the power of Dominion,
For it shall strengthen you
The new master’s crimson hand must wield/
That which can bend flame’s power/
Only when the King of Sin falls/
Holding the weapon who slew him/

Seek thee the power of Life,
For it shall preserve you
Follow the road to Death’s kingdom/
For that which seeks to consume you/
Shall reveal That Which Must Be/
For only one soul may wield the others/

Seek thee the power of Distortion,
For it shall protect you
The Second Death shall guide you/
To find the realm of Pandemonium/
Break the chains of the changed/
And they shall reveal that which is hidden/

Finally, seek thee the Source of Corruption
Follow the path of blood to the infection at its heart
The wound shall be healed by that which no other can give
Only then shall the Darkness fade
Only then shall your fate be undone.

Beyond this, no god or man may know what fate awaits you.


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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby lincoln » September 30th, 2011, 10:35 am

Just spitballing here, but is the Oracle saying we must all fulfill our destinies before we can stop the impending doom? Because that is a hell of a thing.

There are pieces that I can pull out, but how they all relate is up for debate

Could the innocent heart be Seldi?
What is the quarry that always eludes?
Is Asmodeus the King of Sin?
Could Brandis' raven be connected to following the road to Death's kingdom?
Is the Realm of Pandemonium referring to the Elemental Chaos and the Sectari?
And what will heal the wound that no other can give? (Maybe Arath will come to atone for his sins somehow...)

So much to discuss!!!
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby lincoln » September 30th, 2011, 10:40 am

Ohhhh, maybe it's like Captain Planet!
With our powers combined...
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Cailin » September 30th, 2011, 10:45 am

lincoln wrote:Ohhhh, maybe it's like Captain Planet!
With our powers combined...


More like... http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/5876f2 ... ain-planet
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Eric Holland » September 30th, 2011, 11:41 am

I like the Arath idea, but I would guess that one of them has to do with Hasten, the most...enigmatic...of the quorum
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby lincoln » October 3rd, 2011, 1:29 pm

The Hasten idea is an interesting one. I have been thinking about what he could possibly give that no other could. He is dead, so maybe the required act will involve something that would kill a regular mortal? Hmmmmmm...

I will say this though - if Arath comes back and bones us there will be some very stern words directed towards Deomin :evil:
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Eric Holland » October 3rd, 2011, 11:45 pm

Stern words like, "Why are you still getting in the way of us killing Arath?"
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Sam » October 4th, 2011, 12:16 am

Ok here's my take on this whole thing.

The Oracle wrote:
The Sacrifice Forgotten is the Destiny Remembered...

To those who seek the path
To undo what has been seen
Now know that which must be done
And that which must be given.


Intro paragraph. "so here's what you gotta do."

Seek thee the power of Faith,
For it shall sustain you
The innocent heart sleeps/
Bound beneath a common crown/
the Land of Gold shall reveal its power/
Only to the Sovereign Queen/


This paragraph is about Arora. Sovereign Queen is a pretty clear indicator. Land of Gold is the Shining Lands?

Seek thee the power of Time,
For it shall shelter you
The dead God shall point the way/
Enshrined in His city’s lost tomb/
Your quarry shall always elude you/
Until sought from within/


This paragraph is about Hugh. The quarry line seems like a clear link to Hugh.

Seek thee the power of Dominion,
For it shall strengthen you
The new master’s crimson hand must wield/
That which can bend flame’s power/
Only when the King of Sin falls/
Holding the weapon who slew him/


This paragraph is about Wrenn. Seemed like it might be about him taking over the nine Hells.

Seek thee the power of Life,
For it shall preserve you
Follow the road to Death’s kingdom/
For that which seeks to consume you/
Shall reveal That Which Must Be/
For only one soul may wield the others/


This paragraph is about Brandis. He got the dream about going to the realm of the Raven Queen to find answers.

Seek thee the power of Distortion,
For it shall protect you
The Second Death shall guide you/
To find the realm of Pandemonium/
Break the chains of the changed/
And they shall reveal that which is hidden/


This paragraph is about Deomin. Biggest guess as to why is the Pandemonium bit. seems storm related, not sure what else it could mean.

Finally, seek thee the Source of Corruption
Follow the path of blood to the infection at its heart
The wound shall be healed by that which no other can give
Only then shall the Darkness fade
Only then shall your fate be undone.


My original thought was that this was talking about The Shard of Pure Evil, it being the source of corruption and all, but after reading your ideas I'm thinking it may be about Hasten (I always forget about Hasten.) Notice how the first line of each paragraph ends with a word that seems to relate to the destiny of the particular hero. If the pattern held true, then this one would be about Hasten seeing as he was the sixth hero there. I'm still thinking that this has something to do with the Shard of Evil as well though. "Source of corruption" and "follow the path of blood to the infection at
its heart" sounds like the Shard of Pure Evil at the bottom of The Abyss.

Beyond this, no god or man may know what fate awaits you.


closing line. "this is all the hints you're getting."
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Eric Holland » October 4th, 2011, 12:35 pm

Pretty much yeah. I think the last one does have to do with some shard-ness. Hasten is probably involved...unless people forgot about him :(
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby DoomIslands2ndCousin » October 5th, 2011, 6:22 am

I don't think the last paragraph is about Hasten. He is not in the same league (storywise) as the other heros, which know each other for much longer.

The wound shall be healed by that which no other can give


This might point to some sort of sacrifice. Maybe one of the characters has to sacrifice him-/herself, since a life can only be given by oneself, but never taken by another ("no other"). My guess is, the last paragraph deals with the quorum itself; somehow it gets corrupted (for example starting with that prisoner in the Oracle's cave) and one of them has to do the ultimate sacrifice to please the gods.
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby lincoln » October 5th, 2011, 7:04 am

DoomIslands2ndCousin wrote:My guess is, the last paragraph deals with the quorum itself; somehow it gets corrupted (for example starting with that prisoner in the Oracle's cave) and one of them has to do the ultimate sacrifice to please the gods.

Interesting take... I hadn't thought of that angle.
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Dan » October 5th, 2011, 5:27 pm

Not it!
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Cailin » October 5th, 2011, 10:20 pm

The answer is obvious. I'm actually surprised you guys haven't figured it out yet. OR HAVE YOU?!

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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby lincoln » October 6th, 2011, 6:15 am

I just like to think that we are all supposed to become the epic bad-asses we are destined to be. Then we will be on an equal playing field with Therizdun and can take him out once and for all. No Therizdun, no cataclysm. Bam.
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Dan » October 6th, 2011, 9:53 am

Dan wrote:Not it!


I should clarify. I think that's certainly possible, and calling Not it! for who gets to volunteer to cleave themselves in twain.
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby lincoln » October 6th, 2011, 10:04 am

Dan wrote:I should clarify. I think that's certainly possible, and calling Not it! for who gets to volunteer to cleave themselves in twain.

Hasten has to do it... he is newest...

"Sorry about this Hasten, but is our policy."
"Where exactly is that written?"
"I'm sure it is written somewhere. Now get cleavin'... we have a world to save buddy!"
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Cyalpha08 » November 18th, 2011, 10:47 am

The Oracle wrote:The Sacrifice Forgotten is the Destiny Remembered...

To those who seek the path
To undo what has been seen
Now know that which must be done
And that which must be given.

Seek thee the power of Faith,
For it shall sustain you
The innocent heart sleeps/
Bound beneath a common crown/
the Land of Gold shall reveal its power/
Only to the Sovereign Queen/

Seek thee the power of Time,
For it shall shelter you
The dead God shall point the way/
Enshrined in His city’s lost tomb/
Your quarry shall always elude you/
Until sought from within/

Seek thee the power of Dominion,
For it shall strengthen you
The new master’s crimson hand must wield/
That which can bend flame’s power/
Only when the King of Sin falls/
Holding the weapon who slew him/

Seek thee the power of Life,
For it shall preserve you
Follow the road to Death’s kingdom/
For that which seeks to consume you/
Shall reveal That Which Must Be/
For only one soul may wield the others/

Seek thee the power of Distortion,
For it shall protect you
The Second Death shall guide you/
To find the realm of Pandemonium/
Break the chains of the changed/
And they shall reveal that which is hidden/

Finally, seek thee the Source of Corruption
Follow the path of blood to the infection at its heart
The wound shall be healed by that which no other can give
Only then shall the Darkness fade
Only then shall your fate be undone.

Beyond this, no god or man may know what fate awaits you.

Well now, Things have certainly become clearer.

Seek thee the power of Faith,
For it shall sustain you
The innocent heart sleeps/
Bound beneath a common crown/
the Land of Gold shall reveal its power/
Only to the Sovereign Queen/

This stanza is clearly about Arora, Since she is the only Queen we have.

Seek thee the power of Distortion,
For it shall protect you
The Second Death shall guide you/
To find the realm of Pandemonium/
Break the chains of the changed/
And they shall reveal that which is hidden/

This as we have seen, is about Deomin.

Seek thee the power of Life,
For it shall preserve you
Follow the road to Death’s kingdom/
For that which seeks to consume you/
Shall reveal That Which Must Be/
For only one soul may wield the others/

This as we have seen. is about Brandis. (as seen by the latest episode)


Seek thee the power of Dominion,
For it shall strengthen you
The new master’s crimson hand must wield/
That which can bend flame’s power/
Only when the King of Sin falls/
Holding the weapon who slew him/

This is about Wrenn, as seen by the episode before the latest

By Process of Elimination.

Seek thee the power of Time,
For it shall shelter you
The dead God shall point the way/
Enshrined in His city’s lost tomb/
Your quarry shall always elude you/
Until sought from within/

This is about Hugh. But beyond who it is about i know nothing.

Finally, seek thee the Source of Corruption
Follow the path of blood to the infection at its heart
The wound shall be healed by that which no other can give
Only then shall the Darkness fade
Only then shall your fate be undone.

and this. is Hasten. Because he is the only one whose Fate needs to be undone.

Am i correct? Well of course you cant tell us.
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby imafrog29 » December 8th, 2011, 8:35 pm

I don't actually think the last paragraph is about a particular character. Each of the main quorum people have a section and then once all the pieces for each person have been collected you need to:

Finally, seek thee the Source of Corruption
Follow the path of blood to the infection at its heart
The wound shall be healed by that which no other can give
Only then shall the Darkness fade
Only then shall your fate be undone.

Translation:
Find Therizdun
Use the Blood War as cover to penetrate the layers of the Abyss
Use the Shard of Pure Evil to kill Therizdun or heal the rift in space time that is causing the distortion or whatever.
This will avoid the devastation of the dark world.
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Sam » December 9th, 2011, 12:14 pm

I don't actually think the last paragraph is about a particular character. Each of the main quorum people have a section and then once all the pieces for each person have been collected you need to:

Finally, seek thee the Source of Corruption
Follow the path of blood to the infection at its heart
The wound shall be healed by that which no other can give
Only then shall the Darkness fade
Only then shall your fate be undone.

Translation:
Find Therizdun
Use the Blood War as cover to penetrate the layers of the Abyss
Use the Shard of Pure Evil to kill Therizdun or heal the rift in space time that is causing the distortion or whatever.
This will avoid the devastation of the dark world.


I think you're on the right track.
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Cyalpha08 » December 16th, 2011, 12:19 am

imafrog29 wrote:I don't actually think the last paragraph is about a particular character. Each of the main quorum people have a section and then once all the pieces for each person have been collected you need to:

Finally, seek thee the Source of Corruption
Follow the path of blood to the infection at its heart
The wound shall be healed by that which no other can give
Only then shall the Darkness fade
Only then shall your fate be undone.

Translation:
Find Therizdun
Use the Blood War as cover to penetrate the layers of the Abyss
Use the Shard of Pure Evil to kill Therizdun or heal the rift in space time that is causing the distortion or whatever.
This will avoid the devastation of the dark world.


Hm.. Looking at it this way makes more sense than my Hasten Idea. Nice job!
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Cailin » August 15th, 2012, 12:43 pm

So, how's that divination looking to everyone now?
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby lincoln » August 15th, 2012, 1:10 pm

This week on Thursday Knights:
Go with Asmodeus as he battles his way to Therizdun's location. Take out Asmodeus, laugh at Light World Pazuzu and slap him in the face as we use our slivers of the Shard to seal off him and Therizdun in a planar pocket for the rest of time, high fives and fist pumps all around as we head back to Thunderstrike for some BBQ and ale.
C'mon guys, let's finish the fight!
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Sam » September 28th, 2012, 11:53 am

Finally, seek thee the Source of Corruption
Follow the path of blood to the infection at its heart
The wound shall be healed by that which no other can give
Only then shall the Darkness fade
Only then shall your fate be undone.


Lying in bed this morning, a few pieces clicked into place. Think I figured it out a possible solution, but it won't be a happy ending.

Hint: Tharizdun is a god, what have we been doing with those?
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Thor The Crusher » September 30th, 2012, 1:23 am

Hello Level 30: Tharizdun Edition
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Cailin » November 16th, 2012, 1:48 pm

Now that we're near the end of the campaign, I invite you to take another look at the divination. Were your guesses correct?
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby lincoln » November 16th, 2012, 1:54 pm

Imafrog was pretty much spot on.
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Sam » November 17th, 2012, 3:11 pm

Yeah my theory of absorbing Tharizdun was not close.
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby DoomIslands2ndCousin » December 1st, 2012, 2:25 pm

Now that I have listened to episode 134 (spoilers ahead), I remembered my interpretation of that last paragraph, especially
The wound shall be healed by that which no other can give
which I thought pointed to a sacrifice.
DoomIslands2ndCousin wrote:Maybe one of the characters has to sacrifice him-/herself, since a life can only be given by oneself, but never taken by another ("no other"). My guess is, the last paragraph deals with the quorum itself; somehow it gets corrupted (for example starting with that prisoner in the Oracle's cave) and one of them has to do the ultimate sacrifice to please the gods.


I would also like to highlight the "the quorum itself; somehow it gets corrupted"-part, since now (as of 134) the source of that corruption has been clearly identified. The only thing I didn't think of was that that sacrifice would take the whole party and that they would be gods themselves by then.

In summary, I think I should apply as the next oracle :)
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Re: The Oracle's Divination

Postby Cailin » December 2nd, 2012, 11:57 pm

DoomIslands2ndCousin wrote:In summary, I think I should apply as the next oracle :)


Well done, Sir! Please leave your resume (and eyes) with our secretary.
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